Cubit releases free point-of-sale application

By   |  March 14, 2008

Cubit Accounting Software, which develops, supplies and maintains the locally developed Cubit Accounting package, has released a BSD-licensed Point of Sale system.

Targeted at the local retail SMME market, the package has been developed specifically for local conditions, and has been running at a few local businesses for the past six months, the company said in a statement yesterday.

Cubit CEO Andre Coetzee says it is the first locally developed open source solution tailored specifically for this market, and that it includes all aspects of retail sales. The system can be installed on all Windows, Apple Mac and Linux platforms. The BSD software licence was chosen because in this application it allows the local software industry
to grow.

“With the current emphasis on high petrol costs and a weak Rand the South African software industry has the potential to generate the software that we use ourselves and even export technology. This in turn will create new job opportunities in the ICT sector and result in more affordable and competing software products for hard pressed consumers,” said Coetzee.

“With the BSD licence the application source code belongs to everyone and anyone may change, customise and add to the software without even having to disclose the source code to anyone. Anyone may also download the source code, recompile, re-brand it and sell it to anyone else,” he said.

The software and source code is available for download from http://www.cubit.co.za.

Comments

16 Responses to “Cubit releases free point-of-sale application”

  1. kmf
    March 14th, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

    If you read … the Terms and Conditions, it says you can not share the software ….
    http://skitch.com/kmfischer/8amg/cubit-lies
    Read :
    http://www.cubit.co.za/terms_conditions.php

  2. Alastair Otter
    March 14th, 2008 @ 3:25 pm

    kmf »
    Come now Karl, give Andre a break. I believe he’s being genuine this time around.

    This is from the download site:
    “Cubit POS (BSD Licensed Version)
    Not just Open Source, this software belongs to you and the source code belongs to you as well. You may download this, change it, close the source code and pretty much do almost anything you like with it… With enough support from the ICT industry we will release more in the same fashion. These builds are for windows only we will make Linux, BSD and Apple Mac builds available but if you need them urgently just send email to support at cubit.”

    I haven’t read the actual licence but going on the above it looks okay to me.

  3. anon
    March 14th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

    Question is why you have to accept the baddie terms cons before getting the BSD softwares

  4. kmf
    March 17th, 2008 @ 10:35 am

    share the source on public FTP/HTTP and let people mirror it … that is a simple request, isn’t it ?

  5. andre
    March 17th, 2008 @ 12:39 pm

    The CubitPOS software is BSD licensed and the source code
    is included in the build, have a look for yourself. The conditions
    of obtaining the download link are fairly stringent and It is because
    of people like Karl Fischer that we have to protect our Web servers,
    bandwidth and limited resources from constant abuse, attacks and
    other challenges.
    Make no mistake, if people abuse our services we will in fact prosecute
    them to the maximum extent of the law both Civil and Criminal.

    Whatever Karl Fischers reasons are for wanting to spread FUD
    about Cubit it is fairly obvious to anyone that has actually downloaded
    the software that there are no limitations on its use.

    Also if Karl Fischer is so worried about our main web server and the
    downloadability of CubitPOS, why does he not make it down loadable
    himself? It is BSD licensed so he may in fact do with it as he pleases.

    Fortunately for me readers of these posts can make up their own minds
    and I doubt if they are so stupid as to believe some of the rubbish written by
    obvious idiots.

  6. kmf
    March 17th, 2008 @ 1:00 pm

    Maybe the Source Code should be on Sourceforge ?
    Just a suggestion it will get more exposure.

  7. kmf
    March 17th, 2008 @ 1:55 pm

    Ok I will share your software,

    I’m sorry if I offended you (Andre) if you can show me any place where I spread FUD. Do so and I will remove it.

    I’m sorry for any inconvenience caused.

    Here is the Mirror : http://fischer.org.za/cubitpos/

  8. andre
    March 17th, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

    Kewl, sorry about my emotional response above, I asked Alastair
    to remove it but Alastair said that users should not be able to
    edit or change their posts on this website.

    Thank you for changing the “Cubit Lies” heading of your skitch
    to Cubit Weird. I guess I would rather be weird than a liar.

    Also thank you for mirroring CubitPOS, we will upload a new
    version later this afternoon for Linux as well as some additions
    to the previous version. Please will you mirror the Linux version
    as well as the new updates?

    I still think you are an idiot as much as you think I am weird though…

  9. silentcoder
    March 17th, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

    I think that putting a set of terms and conditions beyond the license as a requirement to the download is not exactly kosher.
    Now it’s is also clear the Andre has NOT enforced the ‘cannot share’ term there (which contradicts the chosen license) as he actually encouraged Karl to mirror it.
    I don’t think therefore that it was Cubit’s INTENTION to try and shrinkwrap a BSD license – I think it was an accident or misunderstanding (or possibly a leftover from a structure put in place to maintain their proprietary accounting package ?)
    Anyway, I’m pretty sure you overreacted a little Karl. On the other hand, a good flamewar is always fun and we all KNOW the facts just get in the way :p .

    I have a much more important question however: can you use this free POS on it’s own – WITHOUT the proprietary CUBIT accounting ? What about importing the data into OTHER accounting packages such as SQL-Ledger or Quasar that are in fact FOSS ?

    I would really like to know this, as it would be a critical consideration if I am to recommend this to my customers on request.

  10. andre
    March 17th, 2008 @ 7:02 pm

    What license are you all talking about? The website usage agreement?
    Yes, our website does not allow you to download our logos and it has a very
    strict usage policy.

    Using our website has conditions, if you dont like it then dont use it.
    (Try Karl Fischers mirror, if he has the latest builds)

    If you actually go and download the cubitPOS software there is a software license
    in it which is the stock standard BSD license with no changes. You will also
    be downloading it from another server.

    So what are you on about? Leftover structure huh? cannot share? not sure…
    I think you are listening to too much to FUD…

    Question regarding usage:
    Yes, you can use the cubitPOS (or if you want to call it the Silent Coder POS)
    on it’s own. And yes again you can take the data anywhere you like it is
    in SQL format.

    We have also just released the Linux build…

  11. silentcoder
    March 17th, 2008 @ 7:38 pm

    By ‘license’ I meant the BSD license in the software. The Website USAGE license however has restrictions that Karl had thought applied to the software. It is clear how this mistake was made, I was trying to clarify what I believe led to the misunderstanding in the first place.

    The usage agreement on the site which has to be agreed to, to get to the download link contains clauses that SOUND like it affects the software you download as well.

    You have made it clear that it is meant to protect your logos and to control how your site is used – entirely your prerogative – I was trying to point out where the misunderstanding came in – sorry if I managed to confuse people even further.

    Either way – it may be prudent to add a line to your usage policy specifying that software downloaded from the site are under it’s own license and that the AUP has no bearing on such software.

    Ciao
    A.J.

  12. andre
    March 17th, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

    ROLFMAO,

    You obviously have not yet had a look at the present usage agreement

    If I add another line in there no one would probably even notice it, anyway
    for the past seven years included in Cubit (with source code) has always
    been Apache, PostgreSQL and even Firefox among some of the Open Source
    software and source code. Doubtful that anyone would think that we are
    trying to close source those.

    Thing about these type of discussions on tectonic.co.za is that the threads
    above remain readable for quite a long time for better or worse.

  13. silentcoder
    March 18th, 2008 @ 9:16 am

    Erm, I haven’t read it no – throughout – my comments have been on the discussion happening here. The position I took was one of placating – I believed that there was a misunderstanding on Karl’s part (which has been confirmed) and took a MIDDLE-man position – trying to understand why such a misunderstanding happened (it is pretty obvious to me) and clear it up so that future readers here do not end up with either Karl’s attack or your defensive answer (which completely failed to understand or address WHAT he was complaining about or why).
    Ultimately, and quite soon into the discussion – I decided that you had done nothing wrong, and stated so outright, along with a simple piece of advice to prevent others making the same mistake Karl did.

    Unfortunately you seem now to be so defensive you don’t even realise when somebody is telling you they agree with your side of an issue.

    I think Cubit is doing a good thing here, I think the entire controversy is a storm in a teacup caused by a simple misunderstanding and I think that a simple readjustment of attitudes all around would clear it up in a very short space of time.
    I have done what I could to try and facilitate that. What I am not prepared to take however is abuse from somebody I was DEFENDING. Andre, I really suggest you take a short time-out and think about all I said before replying. I’ve been your most vocal supporter in this debate – but I am not sure I want to participate anymore. You seem to be all-set to call anybody who even understands HOW Karl could have made that mistake (it seems all to easy) a spreader of FUD and an idiot, rather than just explaining the facts calmly and solving the problem right away.

    Frankly, I have better things to do than to be implied stupid by people I was doing a favor to.

  14. andre
    March 18th, 2008 @ 3:44 pm

    You have to have the last say?

    Okay, why are you feeling the need to explain, or to be in the MIDDLE?
    or to defend anyone? Am I a little kid?

    Fischer posts “Cubit Lies” basically saying outright that I and my company
    are liars.

    Tectonic editor replies “this time around” by implication I or my company
    have lied before.

    Then you come and you want to get in the middle, or defend or whatever?

    Because there is a perfectly good reason why Fischer would have misunderstood
    the software licensing?

    I think I need to obtain legal advice rather as there has been slander here
    and I am extremely upset

    Shame on anyone that posts in this thread.

    Shame on Tectonic

    and Shame on Karl Fischer.

    And you, AJ Venter, you should stay out of things that have nothing
    to do with you.

  15. Alastair Otter
    March 18th, 2008 @ 3:59 pm

    @andre @karl @AJ

    This thread is now closed. The misunderstanding has gone too far. Andre, I have explained my position to you offline and that I was not slandering you and that I was simply agreeing with you. Karl, I understand, has gone some way to making ammends.

    I will not publish any more comments on this thread from this point on.
    Alastair

  16. Marlon Van der Linde
    November 20th, 2008 @ 9:24 am

    I haven’t had much time to have a look at this.
    Good work Cubit, and good work on kmf and andre in resolving the comment debate :)

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